3 builders who never spoke to each other · contested
Cut the signup form, or keep the filter
One reading of the evidence is that every field is a way for the form to break and a reason for a willing person to leave, so ask for an address and collect the name, the terms and the qualifying questions during onboarding once the account exists. The other reading is that a self serve product needs users prepared to make an effort, and that lead quality falls as fields come off.
Where this splits
Dry and Bourgoin strip the form to almost nothing, while Poyar argues some friction is worth keeping and Riley warns that lead quality drops as fields are removed.
side 01 · 7 claims
Strip the signup form to an email address
Harry Dry · Katelyn Bourgoin
- 1Ask for nothing but an email address to create an account: no password, no name fields, no checkboxes.
- 2Collect the terms agreement, the full name and every qualifying question after the account exists, once the person is committed.
- 3Detect the email provider and send those addresses straight into single-click OAuth, verifying the rest by email.
- 4Improve the flow by subtraction: ask what can be removed rather than what can be added, since each extra field adds a new way for the form to break.
- 5Split the flow deliberately: signup should be frictionless while onboarding can take its time.
side 02 · 2 claims
Keep some friction, it filters for serious users
Dru Riley · Kyle Poyar
- 1Expect lead quality to drop as you remove form fields, so track what happens after the signup and not just the signup count.
- 2Some signup friction is worth keeping, because a self-serve product needs users willing to put in effort. Spend the effort instead on sharpening the message and showing the product working on the page, an interactive tour if you can.
What it returned
Notion's signup, judged the best converting the author had seen in three years of studying landing pages
Notion asks all of it during onboarding rather than at signup
Gmail addresses go to Google OAuth; other addresses verify by email
A failing reCAPTCHA or a date picker broken by an iOS update are given as examples; a one-field form becomes a ten-field form once a committee is involved
Sources
- HubSpot vs Zoho - Why We Buy 🧠Katelyn Bourgoin · customercamp.co · Why It’s Brainy · undated
- My step-by-step guide to landing pages that convertHarry Dry · Marketing Examples · 5/ CTA · undated
- Why Notion's sign-up form converts so wellHarry Dry · Marketing Examples · Simple Sign Up · undated
- Conversion Rate Optimization: Social Proof, User-Generated Content, HeadlinesDru Riley · trends.vc · 🏔️ Risks · 2022-09-01 · dissenting
- Product-led marketing - by Kyle Poyar - Lenny's NewsletterKyle Poyar · lennysnewsletter.com · Final words of advice · 2023-03-28 · dissenting
the second source
Three plays a week, for the phase you are in
No roundup of links, no news. Three tactics more than one builder arrived at separately, with the numbers each one returned and the disagreements left in.
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